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Post by Anawara on Feb 20, 2005 12:50:28 GMT -5
I am looking for information on the Native American nation that was moved to a small church just outside of Sandusky Ohio. This is the info I have so far. Their village was south of sandusky and they were removed to a Church with very little acerage. About 200 people were expected to live there.
Anyways they left the church grounds to go to where thier crops were at their old village to harvest.
They were caught by malita and the army and wiped out.
I am looking for the name of these people (What NAtion)
where if possible did this happen?
Thank you for any help
I have read about this incident before but am unable to find my resoarce.
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Post by Nemacolin on Feb 20, 2005 15:16:03 GMT -5
I believe the tribe you are looking for is the Moravian Delawares and the town is Gnadenhuetten located in Tuscarawas County, Ohio.
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Post by Matthew S. Schweitzer on Feb 21, 2005 10:14:00 GMT -5
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Post by ronnie gunn on Feb 27, 2005 19:19:07 GMT -5
well i certainly might be mistaken about williamson. but i believe i read it some where. i'll check my library. i did a lot of research on williamson and his family. my gr-gr-gr grandfather was thomas wilson williamson. born in the early 1800's, he drove a horse drawn trolley either in pgh or the city of allegheny.he shows up on early census records in pitt twp.now pgh.he in the right place at the right time, but i cant get past thomas. do you know the source that has david being in favor of the murders?
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Post by Matthew S. Schweitzer on Feb 28, 2005 13:19:44 GMT -5
Interesting. I did pull up this account, from J.H. Newton's History of Northern W. V. Panhandle, 1879, which seems to hint that Williamson might not have participated directly in the massacre. www.rootsweb.com/~indian/gnaden.htmI will have to dig and find the accounts that I know I've seen that accuse him of direct involvement in the killings, because I've always had the notion that this is the case, at least as it is usually given in the popular histories of the event. It is interesting to point out that, as with many cases in this time and place of history (Girty and Wetzel come to mind), that the accounts of an event as horrendous as this are often riddled with inaccuracies due to one side or another wishing to use it as a polemic. Even so, as commanding officer of the militia, Williamson's failure to prevent an atrocity of this magnitude would seem to implicate him of complicity at the very least. History certainly seems to. Any thoughts? |
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Post by Anawara on Mar 1, 2005 21:52:50 GMT -5
He would not have been the first to lose control of their commmand. Not that I am defending him.
Directly or indirectly as the commanding officer he is the one reponsible for the action of his men.
I lean towards his direct involvement.
Was it poetic justice that during the secund expedition his comanding officer suffered for his crimes. Althou he died a terrible death. Williamson if I am correct died inprison for an unpaid dept. I wonder how often he was tormented by the , shall we say ghosts of the people he watched haveing their heads crushed
I know there is no prof of this, but memories from the past can be tremedus torment. Who is to say who suffered more. The one who burned at the stake or layed in prison with so much time to think .
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Post by RONNIE GUNN on Mar 3, 2005 12:23:50 GMT -5
I POSTED SOME INFO ON THE RESIDENCE AND THE DEATH OF DAVID WILLIAMSON, BUT IT GOT SIDE-TRACKED SOMEWHERE. IN THOSE DAYS WHEN A GROUP OF SETTLERS/ FRONTIERSMEN WENT ON AN EXPEDITION, THEY ELECTED A CAPT. OR LEADER. THAT IS THE WAY IS WAS. THIS CAPT COULD BE REPLACED AT ANY TIME. SO IF WILLIAMSON WAS AGAINST THE KILLING OF THE MORIVIAN LENAPES, ONCE THE VOTE WAS TAKEN HE WOULD HAVE GONE ALONG WITH IT, OR WOULD HAVE BEEN REPLACED. WETHER HE KILLED ANY HIMSELF OR NOT IS UNKNOWN AT THIS TIME. I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET SOME INFO FROM THE DRAPER MANUSCRIPST WHICH ARE ON MICRO-FILM AT THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY OF WISCONSIN. MANY ARE AVAILAVABLE ON-LINE. DRAPER WORKED FOR 50 YEARS COLLECTING STORIES, AND BIO'S OF THE HERO'S OF THE DAY. HE INTERVIEWED JANE WILLIAMSON, THE DAUGHTER OF DAVID'S. THIS COULD SHED SOME LIGHT ON THE SUBJECT. I HAVE NOT YET FOUND THESE LETTERS. IF ANYBODY FINDS THIS PLEASE POST IT.
ONE OF THE SLAIN INDIANS WAS "GLICKHICA" {GUNSIGHT} HE WAS A LENAPE WARRIOR OF THE MUNSEE OR WOLF CLAN PREVIOUS TO HIS CONVERSION TO CHRISTIANITY, HE LIVED AT KUSKUSKIES. THIS WAS THE AREA WHERE THE MAHONING AND THE SHENANGO RIVERS MERGED IN PA. THERE WERE REPORTED TO BE FOUR VILLAGES. ONE AT PRESENT DAY NEWCASTLE PA. ONE AT EDINSBURG, SIX MILES UP THE MOUTH OF THE MAHONING, AND TWO AT THE HEAD OF THE BEAVER RIVER. THE ONE SIX MILES UP THE MAHONING WAS LOCATED IN 1959 BY JOHN ZAKUCIA. HE HAD A DREAM ABOUT THE PLACE AND WENT TO WHERE THE DREAM TOLD HIM. IT WAS THE CHAMBER'S FARM. KNOWN AS 36LR11. WORKING WITH CARNEGIE MUSEUM, HE DUG UP 70 GRAVES DATING ROM 1735 TO 1760. THEY TOOK IT ALL. OVER 20,000 BEADS, SILVER MEDALS, ETC THE BONES STILL RESIDE IN CARDBOARD BOXES AT THE MUSEUM. ONE OF THE GRAVES WAS OVER 6 FT. DEEP. OTHERS WERE ONLY I8 INCHES . IT CONTAINED MANY SILVER ORNEMENTS INCLUDING A KING GEORGE MEDALION, NOW IN THE SMITHSONIAN. JOHN BELIEVES THIS MAY HAVE BEEN THE REMAINS OF THE PRINCIPAL CHIEF OR HEADMAN OF THE MUNSEE/LENAPE LIVING ON FRENCH CREEK, PA. JOHN IS ABOUT 90 AND STILL LIVES IN CAMPBELL OHIO. I GUESS I STRAYED FROM WILLIAMSON A BIT.
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Post by RONNIE GUNN on Mar 3, 2005 14:56:38 GMT -5
THE WEB SITE ON NEWTONS HISTORY IS A GOOD ONE. THAT IS PROBABLY THE CLOSEST TO THE TRUTH THAT ONE WILL GET.
HOW STARTING A DISCUSSION ON JOHN SLOVER?
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Post by Matthew S. Schweitzer on Jan 26, 2006 15:46:22 GMT -5
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